Pendragons Princess

This is more or less a continuation of the last post:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon, Associated Press Writer Sat Jan 31, 10:30 am ET

LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

“It can’t go on any longer,” she said in a phone interview Friday. “She’s got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn’t want to get married.”

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, “I’m going to be gone.”

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are “plugged up.”

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn’t want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

“She doesn’t have any more (frozen embryos), so it’s over now,” she said. “It has to be.”

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, “but luckily she couldn’t,” her mother said.

“Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way,” he mother said.

Her daughter’s obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

“Maybe she wouldn’t have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman,” Angela Suleman said. “I feel responsible and I didn’t want to throw her out.”

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman’s autistic son three years ago.

“From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all,” Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

“She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said ‘Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?”‘ she added. “And she said it’s because she got paid for it.”

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master’s degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

The news that the octuplets’ mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.

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Most excellent news - they revealed the tramp’s name - Nadya Suleman, it is confirmed she is an unmarried woman (in this case, she was never married period), had a previous boyfriend named David Solomon, and wow this woman needs major psychiatric treatment AND her reproductive organs completely removed from her body. At this rate, there is no way the state of California will even allow this tramp to adopt more babies. Of course, I do not believe she went to school at all - educated women do not burn to have babies. She’ll wind up on welfare just like so many other single women who breed for the sake of breeding. The most significant quote from the article:

“And she said it’s because she got paid for it.”

You know, she admits to working the system and living on welfare. And this is why we need to eliminate welfare in all of its most obvious and subtle forms from the government.

It gets worse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml

Octuplets’ Family Filed For Bankruptcy

Source: Also Abandoned A House; L.A. Times: Mom Had Embryos Implanted; Ethicist
Blasts Clinic That Did

BELLFLOWER, Calif., Jan. 30, 2009

CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.

There’s been no mention of the octuplets’ father, Kauffman observes.

The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he’s a former Iraqi military man.

Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets’ maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies’ mother already had six young children.

And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

The mother’s name is still being kept under wraps.

But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.

Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, “They all happened to take.”

On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he’s “stunned.”

Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, “Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

“The options,” said Henry, “were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy.”

Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, “My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals.”

The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes — until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him “stunned. As the story’s unfolded and it’s gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice.”

Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it’s “absolutely” possible the octuplets’ mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, “and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we’re policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that’s going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

“And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it’s rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it’s going in the wrong direction.

“And it’s unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it’s really a bit of a medical disaster.”

“Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, ‘Listen, I’ve got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,’ co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, “is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic’s part to say, ‘I’m not going to treat you,’ or, ‘You know what? This is not a good idea?” ‘

“Suffice to say,” Tucker responded, “I’ve been in this business for 25 years now. And it’s pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I’m stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady’s mid-30s, a 35-year-old — she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat — is extremely irresponsible.”
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Humans were not designed to bear litters of children. For this woman to have the embryos planted after she filed for bankruptcy is highly irresponsible. The state should confiscate all of her 14 - yes, 14 - children from her since she cannot care for even one child right now. The woman reportedly lives with her mother and father, until her father gets recalled to Iraq for duty. This is past the infuriating point and as far as I am concerned, this woman should be sterilized at government expense for her irresponsible behavior. But maybe that is not the most shocking part of the story: there is no mention of a husband at all since the initial octuplets story broke out. There must be a “father” of some kind, in this woman’s case, a minimum of possibly five fathers, since of her already six children she has two sets of twins. Talk about working the system - this woman really does have her sex trophies right now. So even though Miss CrotchDump Machine has filed for bankruptcy, lives with her parents, she will have to get on welfare in order to feed all 14 screaming tiny mouths. How did she pay for those embryos? Heroin money? I find it very hard to believe a clinic implanted eight embryos in her. Either Suleman is lying, or the supposed clinic that did it, violated medical ethic standards. This woman is not to be lauded for bearing octuplets. At this point it might be a good idea for the media to discontinue the anonymity. People who remain anonymous in circumstances like this usually have something to hide. The truth will come out eventually.

The so called “Baby Grace” case has made national headlines but here is the latest news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_re_us/child_s_remains

Jurors weep at details of ‘Baby Grace’ torture

By Juan A. Lozano

January 27, 2009

GALVESTON, Texas – Jurors wept Tuesday watching a woman describe how teaching her 2-year-old daughter proper manners turned into a daylong torture session in which the toddler was beaten with belts, dunked in cold water and flung across a room so violently that she died.

Kimberly Trenor, 20, detailed the abuse in a videotaped statement played for jurors during the first day of her capital murder trial.

Trenor, 20, told investigators in the statement that she hit her daughter with a thick leather belt to teach her to say “please” and “yes, sir.”

The little victim was dubbed “Baby Grace” by investigators who worked to identify her decomposed remains after the body was found in a plastic container in October 2007 on a tiny island in Galveston Bay.

Trenor’s 25-year-old husband, Royce Zeigler II, is to be tried separately on murder charges. His attorney argues that Trenor is responsible for the child’s death.

But Trenor insisted it was her husband who became so enraged when the toddler didn’t behave better that he hurled her several times across a room, ultimately fracturing her skull and killing her.

“I said we have to get her to a hospital. (Zeigler) said, ‘No we can’t. We’ll go to jail,’” Trenor said in the videotape, crying. “There came a point where she stopped breathing. He started doing CPR on the floor. He took her … and handed her over to me. I could just feel her going cold.”

At the defense table, Trenor’s eyes teared up as she watched the videotape on a large screen. Several jurors wiped away tears.

Riley Ann Sawyers tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, “I love you,” assistant district attorney Kayla Allen told jurors earlier in the day during her opening statement.

The toddler’s pleas didn’t stop her mother from brutalizing her, the prosecutor said.

Allen said that on July 25, 2007, Trenor and Zeigler disciplined Riley by whipping her with a belt, pushing her head against a pillow and holding her head under water. She said Zeigler tossed Riley across the room, fracturing her skull. An autopsy concluded the fractures caused her death.

Allen said the adults did nothing to help even as Riley lay dying.

Instead, the couple bought a plastic container, stuffed Riley’s body inside and stored it in a shed for a month or two before setting it out to sea, the prosecutor said.

Defense attorney Tommy Stickler Jr. told the jury that Trenor never intended to kill her daughter and that things just “spun out of control.”

Stickler portrayed Trenor as a scared 19-year-old girl who had moved to Texas from Ohio to marry a man she met while playing an online game. She said Riley’s father, her former boyfriend, had assaulted her and Zeigler was her “knight in shining armor.”

“I don’t want to use the word accident, but this wasn’t something that was intentional,” Stickler said.

Trenor could receive an automatic sentence of life in prison without parole if convicted of capital murder. The jury could also convict her of a lesser charge.

Prosecutors declined to seek the death penalty because they didn’t think they could prove that either one would be a future danger, as required.

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This is the thing: if Zeigler does go to jail he won’t last long there as the other inmates will waste him on the spot. As for the 20 year old Trenor (what I like to call, a child who had a baby), her best bet is a permanent sterilization. She would never be able to adopt either since her criminal record will be on the Texas state files. Hey, Trenor should cheer up: nobody ever died from not making more babies. The same cannot be said for Baby Grace. Trenor made a boo-boo the first time around with the little girl’s father and even a bigger boo-boo picking up Zeigler through an Internet game room. The stupidity of youth will unfortunately follow them through the rest of their “adult” lives. The use of the word youth is intentional - both Kimberley and Royce proved their extreme immaturity in raising children in the courtroom.  They’ll have plenty of time to grow up the hard way behind bars if they last that long.

So I was in Albertson’s yesterday buying groceries (not my favorite hobby, despite the fact I love cooking) and there I was in the baking goods aisle which also had the candy (of course) and right before I make my final decision on what brand of cooking oil to buy, around the corner comes a male toddler why decides to lay on his stomach on the floor in front of the candy. I see his father follow him and tell him to get up off the floor. Amazingly enough, the child was pretty quiet - I can only guess he was so tired of shopping with his father he decided to fall asleep on the dirty floor, but the two of them took up all the space at one end of the aisle so I exited the other end which required me to move a few feet away. I wasn’t sure if the kid wanted to stay there until Daddy bought him a bag of Dove chocolates for $3.99 or what. Anyways, that incident reminded me of the following video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4h7PgrCPWQ&feature=related

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Here is another “I forgot where I left the kid” story and the outcome:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/277049.php

Catalina dad convicted in death of baby son left in car

By Kim Smith

Arizona Daily Star

Tucson, Arizona

January 22, 2009

A Catalina resident who forgot his 4-month-old baby inside a car last spring with tragic consequences was convicted Thursday of negligent homicide and child abuse.
Anthony Ryan Kurz, 20, could be placed on probation or be sentenced to up to 7.5 years in prison when sentenced by Pima County Superior Court Judge Teresa Godoy Feb. 20.

It took the jury five hours over two days to convict Kurz.

Jurors were told Kurz dropped the baby’s mother, Samantha Womble, off at work at noon on March 10, 2008, drove home and parked his car in the back of his home in the 4000 block of East Pinto Lane in Catalina.

Kurz left his son, Adryan, strapped in his car seat in the car and went inside.

After trying to chase a bird out of the trailer, Kurz started watching the cartoon “South Park” with his brother and a friend. He also worked on some speakers.

At 4 p.m., Womble called him to ask him why he hadn’t picked her up from work yet.

When Kurz went to the car, he found the baby, but attempts to revive him were unsuccessful.

Temperatures reached the mid-70s that day and an experiment showed the inside of the car likely got to 120 degrees.

Deputy Pima County Attorney Jonathan Mosher asked jurors to convict Kurz, arguing that forgetting the baby amounted to a “gross deviation” from the care “reasonable” people would provide.

Mosher told jurors that during the 3.5 hours the baby was in the car, Kurz didn’t respond to several text messages from Womble’s mom and sister.

Womble’s mom wanted to know if he was going to work, because if he was she was to watch the baby, Mosher said.

Defense attorney Michael Piccarreta told jurors Kurz was distracted because of the bird, the speakers and the argument he and Womble had been having about ending their relationship.

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Wow. Only 20 years old and charged with the death of his 4 month old son. That sucks, but at that age, he is much too young to be having such a respponsibility of caring for a child if he is more interested in stereo speakers and South Park (Normally South Park is the domain of childfree persons, not 20 year old guys who have babies to take care of). The mother was at work so she could not really do anything to help the child, and Kurz, well….let’s just say he should consider getting snipped. He doesn’t need to make more babies and chances are he won’t when he is in prison. If Womble is smart she will leave him immediately.

Childfree people already know about this. So why is it that it is usually childed people who do not know this?:

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/01/22/mother-admits-she-doesnt-love-her-daughter/

Mother Admits She Doesn’t Love Her Daughter by Jennifer Jordan Jan 22nd 2009 5:02PM

Shelley Price doesn’t love her own daughter, and fears she never will. This tearful mother of two is telling her story because she believes that she isn’t the only mother to ever tackle such a taboo subject, and hopes she may help others come to terms with this unspeakable truth. How can this be?

Price was just 22 when she had her eldest daughter, Catherine, now 11. Shortly after Catherine’s birth, a five-year relationship with the father fizzled. That didn’t help matters.

“It was obvious that something wasn’t right from the start,” said Price. The night Catherine was born, Price says she didn’t want to look or touch her. Her maternal malfeasance continues to this day. Playgroup pickup was something to dread, she recalls no landmarks such as a first tooth and when Catherine is sick, Grandma is called in. She admits to ignoring her daughter’s attempts to get her attention and to not wanting to be physically close to her. “I did hug Catherine, but it was always half-hearted,” Price said. “I always told her I loved her but I never really felt it or meant it.” That is just awful. Particulary when there is another child in the house now, Poppy, 2, a daughter who she calls “the love of my life” by her current partner.

I can understand how at times we might not like our children, say, when they break stuff or hit their sister. But that doesn’t mean we don’t love them. Also, many new moms, myself included, feel overwhelmed with the responsibility of a new baby. Coupled with the baby blues or postpartum depression, it’s often very hard to bond.

I have a friend who admitted to me she wasn’t immediately bowled over by her son when she first had him. Many moms go through that. But as time went on, she grew to love her son more than life itself. That’s how you should feel when you have a child, right? Isn’t loving our children — whether it’s at first sight or through time — part of what makes us human?

Psychologists say that a mother’s failure to love her child can result from depression, feelings of inadequacy or when the child reminds her of a bad relationship (i.e., the co-parent). Price fits neatly here, although she says not so.
On the plus side, if there is one, Price recognizes her shortcomings and is trying hard to improve her relationship with her older daughter. “Sometimes, if I’ve been playing with Poppy, she’ll come and sit next to me, put her head on my shoulder and her arm round me, waiting for me to cuddle her,” she said. “I look at her little face and know I’ve hurt her. I do care deeply for Catherine, but I have just never felt the same bond with her.”

Instead of a good night kiss and “I love you, honey,” Catherine hears a nightly whisper in her ear. “I’m sorry for the way I’ve been with you.” Isn’t your heart breaking?
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I am convinced we have arrived at a certain point in human history where breeding, for the present, has outlived its usefulness. The human race is not in any danger of becoming extinct overnight. Nature is telling these people they should not be making babies at all. Here, social conformity needs to go out with the bathwater. Is it really worth it for future generations to repeat the pattern of negelect? I think not. Price is not exactly an isolated case, either. There is simply no need to be making babies “just because everyone else (sic) does it.” There is no rationalization at all, for making a baby, then admitting to not loving your child. I’d recommend that Price seek some professional help but the one who will wind up getting such help is her daughter Catherine when she gets older. Until people are issued licenses to reproduce, no one should be making babies. Put a cap on it already for God’s sake. Price need to take up a new hobby like tatting. She may love her second child Poppy but that means nothing to the world if she cannot love her first child.

The first one is about a mother in the UK who allowed her three-year-old son to smoke:

http://news.aol.com/article/mom-let-3-year-old-son-smoke/315459

Really Permissive Mom: Kelly Marie Pocock pleaded guilty to child cruelty for letting her 3-year-old son smoke. Welsh prosecutors said video taken on a cell phone showed the tot popping a cigarette into his mouth, lighting it and taking a puff. The judge said it was clear the child was a habitual smoker but gave Pocock, 24, a suspended sentence………………………………………………

Pocock looks like she is fifteen years old, not 24. It is possible her brain is that of a fifteen year old if she allows her toddler to smoke a cigarette. Really smart move, Moomy. Not. Hopefully this one will not be making any more babies anytime soon.

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Now for the birth control for drug addicts in Meth Central. Read on:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/272223.php

For control of births, addicts to get $300

By Stephanie Innes

Arizona Daily StarTucson, Arizona | Published: 12.18.2008A national group is offering drug addicts and alcoholics in Tucson $300 if they agree to get permanent or long-term birth control.

Members of the non-profit organization Project Prevention, who were in Tucson this week, say birth-control pills and condoms won’t suffice for this offer.

In an effort to reduce the number of babies born to addicts, the group is hoping to persuade local women to undergo a tubal ligation, get an intrauterine device implanted, or get a long-term contraceptive shot.

Once the women provide proof of the birth control, they will get paid, said program founder Barbara Harris, who was at Downtown Tucson’s Ronstadt Center Tuesday to spread the word.

Men must undergo a vasectomy in order to receive the $300, she said.

“I can give you a list of 100 reasons why they shouldn’t conceive babies,” said Harris, who lives in North Carolina but expects the program will continue in Tucson through local volunteers. “You have to call it a consequence of action.

“The foster-care system is so overcrowded. They keep adding kids and it’s not OK. What type of life do they have? It’s preventable and that’s what bothers me the most,” she said.

Addicts will receive an additional $50 for providing referrals, she said.

The program verifies that participants are addicts before making any payouts.

While in Tucson, Harris said, she made contact with about 50 people who were interested in participating. She also left behind several fliers and put up posters advertising the program, she said.

Sahuarita resident Natalie McGee, who volunteers with several local groups that help children, had asked Harris to make the local visit.

McGee, a local business owner, plans to continue Harris’ message in the Tucson area by, among other things, reaching out to people in local prisons and jails.

“We have a huge drug problem and Child Protective Services has a huge caseload,” McGee said. “Then you’ve got the huge economic downturn. Something’s got to give. What if we could reduce the caseload?”

McGee, 69, has met drug-addicted women with eight, nine and 10 children.

“People should not be having children when they are on drugs,” she said. “I grew up in a foster home. I had a drug addict for a mother and an alcoholic for a father. … It’s a scary, awful thing to go through. Addicts don’t take care of themselves, and they aren’t in a position to take care of their children.”

Harris, whose program is now in 39 states, said she’s heard plenty of criticism. She said the program has nothing to do with abortion, although she’s heard that said. She’s also heard her program called racist, and from people who say her program is like spaying and neutering for addicts.

“I’ve heard it all; nothing stops me,” said Harris, who has adopted four children who were born to a drug-addicted mother.

If participants can’t pay for their birth-control procedure, Project Prevention will pick up the tab, McGee said.

“We’re rewarding them for taking responsibility for their lives,” she said. “It’s their choice and it’s between them and their doctor. There’s no coercion.”

But W. Mark Clark, president and CEO of CODAC Behavioral Health Services in Tucson, wonders about the message that Project Prevention is giving to addicts. Clark has worked in the addiction field since 1974.

“Certainly there’s nothing wrong with improving access to contraception. It appears to me they are talking more about sterilization than contraception. That approach encourages a message that recovery is not possible,” Clark said. “That message is so wrong on so many levels.”

Clark would rather see such a group putting its money toward treatment and recovery options for addicts. With so many funding challenges, those options have been shrinking, he said.

“That’s really where we’d be better off focusing in these challenging times,” he said.

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This is not a bad idea on the whole. It’s better for these people to get fixed than leave a trail of unintended births where the babies are born with fetal drug or alcohol syndrome all over the desert. I fully agree with McGee - if someone wants to be a career drug addict, fine, just don’t breed. It is unfair to the babies, who should not be punished for the perpetual stupidity of their drug-addicted “parents.” Of course, no babies born with fetal alcohol/drug syndrome is ideal but so long as human society continues to remain imperfect, those who want to prevent another generation of drug abuse, such as McGee, should be allowed to carry out their mission without the interference from so-called “pro-life” do gooders who really do more harm than good.

It really is  a talent for some people. Breeding, that is. Read on:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7838148.stm

Mother admonished over road row

19 January, 2009

An Edinburgh mother-of-nine who let her five-year-old daughter play unsupervised on a busy road has been admonished after admitting neglect.

The 31-year-old said the girl went out with her eight-year-old brother in a bid to play with him and his friends.

But after she became detached from the group, two police officers found her playing alone on a busy road last July.

The mother pleaded guilty to a charge of child neglect at Edinburgh Sheriff Court just as her trial was to start.

Now social workers will look into the case after a sheriff admonished the woman, who cannot be named, and referred the matter to the children’s panel.

The 37-year-old father had a not guilty plea to the same charge accepted by the Crown.

The court heard how two constables who had been out on routine patrol had found the girl playing alone on a road in the Saughton Mains area of Edinburgh in the early evening.

Following investigations they arrived at the girl’s nearby home and questioned the parents.

Representing the woman, solicitor Steven Donald said: “The girl has a brother who is eight and some boys came to the door to ask if he could go out to play.

“The little girl went with them but they did not want to play with her and she was left behind.”

Sheriff Kenneth Maciver said he was sympathetic to the pressures of a large family but insisted the woman had to take better care of her children.

He said: “I can understand how this can happen but it is a young age for your daughter to be out alone on a rat-run that is heavily used by traffic.”

The child was unharmed during the incident.

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This article does not mention where this woman’s other seven children were (I cannot imagine being 31 years old with 9 children total; she must not believe in using birth control in any shape or form.) It doesn’t sound like the 31 year old mother keeps an eye on her kids at all if the girl was playing in the middle of the road, and not a cul de sac, either. The authorities should have released the mother’s name anyways, along with the father’s name. In addition to the names mentioned, the woman also being permanently sterilized so she can’t be breeding more stupidity than necessary. It’s time these breeders be held up as an example to the rest of human society. They are not being parents by a long shot and the only thing they are proving to the world is that their private parts work (here, nobody cares about that.) As the saying goes, “Give it a rest.” The double entendre aside, this couple deserves to have the state take all of their kids away from them and stuck in foster homes, until they can be placed in proper homes with real parents and not breeders.

At some point in human history, the genders need to learn how to get along without acting like sex machines. Read on:

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/80619/

School for Teen Mothers Sheds Light on Young Women’s Pregnancy Choices

By Laura Tillman, The Brownsville Herald.

March 31, 2008.

Teen mothers still drop out of school at alarming rates. One school tries to fight the trend.

When the Lincoln Park School opened 18 years ago, it was an experimental answer to a district-wide problem: teen mothers would drop out of school, either during their pregnancy, or right after.

Even if they wanted to continue the school year they couldn’t, because they would amass too many absences after giving birth.

The school provides flexible schedules and alternatives for making up credit to pregnant girls and new mothers, and staff members succeed in helping more than 100 girls to graduate each year with little recognition.

The school’s nurse, Vici McClure says she realizes that the community has mixed feelings about the institution.

“I think we’re doing good work here, and they tell us that sometimes, but we don’t get much publicity,” she said.

Between 225 and 250 girls transition through the school each year. McClure says that this represents about half of the reported pregnancies in the district, and there are likely many more pregnant teens who simply drop out without disclosing this to school administrators.

Walking around the Lincoln Park School can be a strange experience.

Like any high school, the girls are equally young — each year they have at least one 12-year-old — but lined up in the cafeteria for lunch, their stomachs all protruding, it’s almost like another planet.

Down one hallway, infants wail through the glass partition, while in a neighboring room they sleep and coo peacefully.

“We’re having some relaxing time,” said a nurse as she gazed at the row of six docile babes. And then, of course, there are no boys in sight.

Though the experience of having children does seem to mature the girls rather rapidly, according to McClure, they’re still teenagers.

“A lot of guys want their girlfriends to go here so they can’t meet other guys,” said the school’s principal of seven years, Gabriel Garcia. “And some girls decide not to come here because they want to stay at their schools and make sure their boyfriends aren’t with other girls.”

Acceptance and Silence

When Garcia retired at the end of January the girls threw him a surprise assembly with a cake and balloons.

Personally, the experience has been fulfilling for Garcia. He says that the girls frequently come and talk to him about their problems and he feels that he’s had a positive impact on the lives of not only hundreds of mothers, but hundreds of young children as well.

But although he’s been glad to provide a supportive place for pregnant teenagers to complete their education, he says the fact that a school for young mothers is necessary signifies a serious problem in the district.

“Adults are not comfortable talking about sex with kids,” Garcia said. “Then it creates a liability in schools when you know that some parents just get so angry about it. Teachers are scared of what you can be accused of in the classroom. It becomes safer for them to say less.”

Cindy Davila has been working as a guidance counselor at the school for 17 years. She says she’ll never get used to the shock of seeing a pregnant 12-year-old.

“What’s she doing raising a child? She is a child,” Davila said. “So many families don’t expect anything different from them. There are some situations where a family is extremely poor and to bring a healthy baby into a filthy environment with drug use, or just not being able to buy new diapers, it’s scary.”

Davila agrees that although the school can help the girls, by the time they arrive they’ve already lost a number of opportunities without necessarily knowing what they’ve given up.

“We live in a culture that accepts unplanned pregnancy,” Davila said. “Their mothers and grandmothers might have been teens too, so where can they learn something different from?”

The Difference

Maria Guerra, who asked that her name be changed for this article, is 20 years old. She’s finishing up the last two credits to complete her GED at the Lincoln Park School after giving birth to her second daughter in December.

“The first baby I had was when I was 17 and that was planned,” she said. “When I had her I was going to a charter school and my husband had a nice job in construction so I felt ready.”

Now, after giving birth to her second daughter, Maria says she wishes she had had a bit more time to finish her education and her teenage years.

“I have two babies, I have to cook for my husband and take care of the house,” she said. “There’s a point where I feel like I wish I could be by myself. I’m going to be a mother who teaches my daughters to be different.”

Terri Lievanos, the director of Brownsville’s chapter of Planned Parenthood, says she’s glad there is community acceptance of young mothers.

But she also hopes that young people like Maria will begin to see that there is a difference between having a child at 17 and having one once they’ve completed their education, fallen in love, and established a meaningful career.

“I used to lead a class for new teen parents,” Lievanos said. “And I’d ask them the question, ‘why be a teen parent at 15?’ And they’d answer, ‘ma’am, why not? My life isn’t gonna be any different at 20 or 25.’ If they grow up surrounded by teen pregnancy and violence, they’re not going to know that it can be different.”

Lievanos says that it’s this distinction that keeps her coming to work each day, even when she feels like she’s fighting a losing battle.

“I believe in what we do,” she said. “I truly believe that men and women have a right to decide when or if they become parents.”
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Like my own parents used to say, “When you legally become an adult, and live in your own house, you can decide what to do.” That including human reproduction but by then they knew I was going to be childfree. At any rate, the point stands: teenagers are not legally adults, cannot make such major life decisions, and as for dropping out of school, I personally think it should be illegal. Let the parents of the teen girls take care of the babies while the girl finishes high school. Of course, I never had that problem of wondering if I’d ever drop out of high school. I liked high school, even better than grammar school and junior high, and besides, I went to a private high school, so if any female student there ever got pregnant, she woud go bye bye. Private schools can do that. Of course, a girl would always be able to finish up at a public school along with the rest of the pregnant teens.

Back to the article however. With the 225 to 250 girls who are teen mothers at Lincoln Park (New Jersey), it seems like a lot. Exactly why are so many girls getting pregnant? Exactly why were they playing with boys without using protection? Do these girls have no common sense? One does not indulge in risky sexual behavior without using protection, even if it is a condom. Obviously these kids do not think education is important and not when they can have easy access to boys (God knows how many of them in that New Jersey city were being oopsed each year). Their parents are no help, either, in failing to educate their own kids about what sort of behavior they should not be doing, and if they do engage in it, to use some form of birth control. Teenage girls should be discouraged from making babies, not encouraged to make babies. Not only that, their “parents” need to tell these girls:

“Do not be in such a hurry to grow up.”

Well it hasn’t come yet but it’s on my wish list:

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I actually borrowed part of the title from a phrase I heard a long time ago - a woman’s error to “lust for a child.” Lust. The burning of the flesh to desire something. Most psychologists would call this “acting on your animal instinct” but since we are not animals by any stretch (ever see an animal design a Hubble telescope?) it would assume that humans are quite different, a creature of intelligence capable of being in control of our thoughts and actions. This also means having the capacity to think things through. So why aren’t some women thinking things through when they lust for a baby? Is the human instinct for survival so strong that these woman do not stop to think of their actions upon the planet, our natural resources, and ultimately, the men in their lives?

I came across this site today. It is pretty horrendous how some American women treat men in our society. Reading many of the responses tells me these women do not truly love their husbands or boyfriends at all, in fact, women who treat men as “wallets” are more likely than not to be able to have a relationship. Alas, in 2009 Common Era, human relationships are a dime a dozen in the modern world. Our breeding behaviors would fare better in 50,000 B.C.E. when the plant was barely populated and men had to hunt and gather food in order to survives. We have really regressed, haven’t we. I should not even say we, only a segment of our population has regressed like that, while the childfree are trying to keep our society completely from falling apart. Hey, tell the breeders about the quality of health care 50,000 years ago, if our ape-like ancestors even thought of such an idea. But back to the responses on the blog.

“I want a baby.” My quintessential response: “I want a million dollars.” I’d be amused if the husbands of women who make the first statement respond with one like mine in kind - guys out there, please feel free to borrow my response. Men are more rational by nature, which some women actually mistake for immaturity, which is funny, since the “I want ….” is something small children say, not adults. Not one person on the planet has ever gotten everything he or she wants in life - it’s a fact of life is unfair in many areas. There are a lot of things that “I want …….” but do not have either. The only difference is, a baby is nowhere to be found on my list.

Lusts can be extinguished in a number of ways, largely through education. Studies have shown that better educated women have little to no desire to have a child. The key word here is “desire” - women who are able to channel their energies into other areas besides just making babies lead productive lives and contribute to society. It beats contributing more tiny starving screeching mouths to a society in a serious economic recession (this is actually a great time for women to go to college to get a degree and not search for a baby making wallet.)

American society has a huge problem with glamorizing pregnancy and stay at home motherhood. It has destroyed the originakl intentions of feminism, and relegated women not to second class citizenship, but tenth class citizenship. Hell, why don’t the moomies and “burners of lust” just get Obama to sign a bill that states the word ‘woman’ be replaced with ‘chattel’. I am sure that would make them happy.

Last but not least, the ethics. Is it moral and ethical to oops a husband? Of course it is not. Marriages are supposed to be about putting the needs of the partner first before your own, but the burners of lust for a child have no concept as such - for them, marriage is all about them. We never did get out of the “Me Generation” - it is still there but in a different form. To finish off this post, I’d like to quote from one poster on the blog site who said: “As britgirl said, think with your head not your uterus.”

Enough said.